Lawyers and other members of the professional class simply don’t get the white working class or their plight. And that lack of empathy on the part of the elites is the reason Donald Trump won the presidency—and may do so again.

That warning comes from Joan Williams, a professor at University of California Hastings College of Law, in her new book “White Working Class: Overcoming Class Cluelessness in America.” Last week, I wrote about Williams’ book (I called it “a timely, provocative and necessary read”).

Here is my follow-up podcast with Williams about why lawyers should care about the white working class.